[paludis-user] Removal of deprecated clients

Tom tom at giftssoft.com
Wed Feb 16 18:56:21 UTC 2011

Or in Cave FAQ.

While on the topic of "install" vs. "resolve", is there any advantage to
"cave uninstall spec" over "cave resolve !spec"?  According to the
cave-uninstall manpage, they are identical.


Tom Trauth

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[mailto:paludis-user-bounces at lists.pioto.org] On Behalf Of John Huttley
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Subject: Re: [paludis-user] Removal of deprecated clients

This is great!
can you put something like this where a user sees it first? how about 

> There's a reason it's not called "install": that's not what it does.
> It's also not what 'paludis --install' did, and it's not what 'emerge'
> does. Neither paludis nor emerge provide a way to "install a package",
> and although it's technically possible to do it using some of the low
> level cave commands, it's not something that you really want.
> What 'resolve spec --execute' does is make changes to ensure that
> is satisfied. To do that, it might install one or more things, and it
> might uninstall one or more things. 'resolve' is not the same as
> 'install', and 'spec' is not the same as 'package'.
> You might think that they're 'effectively' the same, and that I'm
> pedantic. This isn't the case: equating 'resolve' and 'install' is a
> major source of user confusion. Consider:
>      ( paludis --install / cave resolve ) one two
> If you read this as 'install one then two' or 'install one and two',
> sometimes what you expect will happen. Sometimes it won't, though.
> Consider:
>      $command vim vim
> reading it as 'install vim, and install vim' implies that it would
> install vim twice, which it won't. Or
>      $command vim[>=6] vim[>=7]
> which will again probably only do a single install. Or:
>      $command automake
> which might decide to upgrade two different slots.
> There's also the case of "what happens when something fails". If you
> read:
>      $command first second
> as "install first and second", and if second fails, then you might
> expect first to be added to world. But that's not what happens: either
> the resolve as a whole succeeds, in which case world is updated, or
> resolve as a whole fails, in which case it isn't.
> Then there's something like:
>      $command new-foo
> where new-foo blocks old-foo and auto blocker resolution is enabled.
> Again, it's misleading to call that an 'install'.
> So we're left with the situation where users can either think of
> "installing a package", in which case the package manager will often
> not do what they expect, or where we persuade users to change the way
> they think about things so they "resolve a spec" instead. I really
> don't think we should be encouraging the mental disconnect, even if it
> means users have to spend an extra couple of minutes looking at the
> documentation.

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